And I feel like she is one of those poets that just like, deeply listens and is deeply interested in what you have to say. Naomi Shihab Nye: Yeah, I don’t think I ever read that out loud. She asks him about the clothes Odysseus was wearing during the time when the beggar claims he hosted Odysseus. Prelude to Foundation. She has embraced the book, I’m happy to tell you. Danez Smith: For the refreshment of language. The kid is like, “Why are you late?”. That interview, like, so many brilliant folks blessed us both on the page and on the mic this year. I’ve never been on a train for like, longer than like an hour or so. Bush gave the reins to MIC bureaucrats and Republican business lobbyist lifers. Franny Choi: (LAUGHS) I think that that fight might have been a little bit rigged. Franny Choi: There was a big question earlier this year about whether we would continue being able to make this show for various reasons, actually not having to do with Covid, but more having to do with uprisings for racial justice happening all over the country. The inadequacy of most medieval accounts of art is mentioned above; they generally lack any specific details other than cost and the owner or donor, and hyperbolic but wholly vague praise. Naomi Shihab Nye: Something has to eat candles, because candles disappear, right? It’s a place that should be looked at in a different way. Like he would ask me to read a story and say, “When you finish reading that story, who are you thinking about?” And I knew just after years of doing this with him, he was often thinking about the person who was only quoted once or the person who wasn’t quoted at all, who may have had the most important perspective on the story. Yeah. Om en ekfras för den digitala tidsålder, Ekfrase. Ekphrasis has been considered generally to be a rhetorical device in which one medium of art tries to relate to another medium by defining and describing its essence and form, and in doing so, relate more directly to the audience, through its illuminative liveliness. I guess how long do you hold a book in your memory and with yourself before you sort of let it go? It was pretty segregated when I grew up there. Danez Smith: —uhhh I think is in shock that we’re talking about ourselves in public so much, uhh but proud that we’re able to do that. And that was a wound to him. I mean, they were as magical as Connor is. That seems incredible to me. How can you treat anyone that way? And so, I feel insulted on behalf of Jerusalem. Yeah, that’s the magic part of it. (LAUGHS). In this way, a painting may represent a sculpture, and vice versa; a poem portray a picture; a sculpture depict a heroine of a novel; in fact, given the right circumstances, any art may describe any other art, especially if a rhetorical element, standing for the sentiments of the artist when they created their work, is present. Naomi Shihab Nye: To give me some pointers. I would say anywhere along the incredibly gorgeous San Antonio River Walk is a magnificent place to read a book. I mean, I’m just so amazed that we have been able to keep making this show from the comfort of our homes. (LAUGHS). We should always be on the lookout for something interesting and to learn more about everything. You’re right. Thank you, United States journalists, world journalists, for all the insight you have given us into the madness of the years we have been living through. That there is a use in, I guess, our exhaustion. How dare you act as if Israel has been just in its dealings, negotiations, navigations with this huge group of people who have been suffering for more than 70 years? And then he said, “Candles?” I thought that was incredible. But also, hopefully some justice comes out of this year, too, right, hopefully some change. But really, you can. I wonder if that creates any kind of affinity, even sort of like subconsciously, to be thinking about borders. And so I have been thinking, like, let me actually take my time as I type this paragraph text to a friend and think about what I can do in here, and like, how I can like, you know, be particular for them, and particular for us. I live in the most Latinx city. So when you read about exile or containment from someone who really grappled with that as a central theme of so much of his work, he has felt very close during all this time. Furthermore, as an interesting example of the back-and-forth dynamic that exists between literary ekphrasis and art, in 1896 (eight years after the play was written) Norwegian painter Edvard Munch painted an image similar to the one described by Ibsen in a painting he entitled (unsurprisingly enough) Lady from the Sea. Issue sticky tape, allow joins to be made, and add a two-minute time penalty for each join in the ring. There’s so much that could be gained by living in harmony together in this small terrain. So I have to go look it up. Naomi Shihab Nye: From all the stuff they used to do. Naomi Shihab Nye: It’s got that lull. Twentieth-century examples include Rainer Maria Rilke's "Archaïscher Torso Apollos",[8] and The Shield of Achilles (1952), a poem by W. H. Auden,[5] which brings the tradition back to its start with an ironic retelling of the episode in Homer (see above), where Thetis finds very different scenes from those she expects. They ask a question about an older poem, and I barely even remember the poem. Danez Smith: Hm. Franny Choi: And it’s so beautiful. So we’re so excited to get to share this interview with Naomi Shihab Nye. Danez Smith: (LAUGHING) It’s an honor just to be reading. And I wanted to honor as well as continue this unfinished story that my father and grandmother were part of, both of them hoping to see a real turn for the better before they died. (LAUGHS). How dare you? He wasn’t cynical. Danez Smith: Yeah, so that’s one of my secret wants is to do like a cross the country train trip. Danez Smith: I will start us off. Yeah, I think that for me, it’s been reading poems outside of very contemporary American poems. Danez Smith: (LAUGHS) My grandma’s smacking me on the back of the head right now. Naomi Shihab Nye: I’m the one with two stars. The shield contains images representative of the Cosmos and the inevitable fate of the city of Troy. Dorian meets Lord Henry Wotton, who espouses a new hedonism, dedicated to the pursuit of beauty and all pleasures of the senses. Itzel Blancas and Ydalmi Noriega—. Franny Choi: Like if they, you know, Anna Akhmatova can write this incredible line while, you know, dealing with the suppression of the Soviet Union, then surely I, who’s just like maybe tired from being on Zoom for a few hours, like, surely I could do something, like make something wild happen. Miguel de Cervantes, who spent his youth in Italy, utilized many Renaissance frescoes and paintings in Don Quixote and many of his other works. Sci-Fi & Fantasy. He wasn’t even too ironic. Franny Choi: Best plant in your garden right now. Yeah, it’s a huge deal! Naomi Shihab Nye: Franny, Danez, I feel like the luckiest person to get to be with you. You know, where do you go to sit and read something? Isaac Asimov. Danez Smith: Alright. And you used the word “transfer.” I did write a book called Transfer for my father after he died, which is also, I would say, my other most political book, in some way. As art history began to become an academic subject in the 19th century, ekphrasis as formal analysis of objects was regarded as a vital component of the subject, and by no means all examples lack attractiveness as literature. Danez Smith: (LAUGHS) And make sure that you like, rate, and subscribe wherever you may listen to podcasts. I mean, I just read that poem this morning. Franny Choi: Just a tuna fish, not a tuna melt? In his analogy, one bedness form shares its own bedness – with all its shortcomings – with that of the ideal form, or template. Make sure you follow us on social media @Vsthepodcast. Naomi Shihab Nye: Because adults, we’re too distracted, we let all this stuff in, we’re overwhelmed with knickknacks in the brain. Franny Choi: Aw. And like, what a better last episode of the season. Naomi Shihab Nye: Oh, yeah. WORLD ‘Democracy has prevailed’: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US president. All this stuff is moving around in there. And I was saying, ‘Well, did you ever read my essay from like 25 years ago called ‘Used Cars on Oahu’?” And he said “No!” And so I went and looked it up and told him where it was, what page it was on, and where to find it. It’s half a block behind my house, but it stretches 15 miles through the city. Naomi Shihab Nye: That’s wonderful. Like digging in the ground right now in Texas, where I live, in San Antonio, Texas. So, bad stuff was always happening in her vicinity and she would just say, “Ah, they don’t know our stories.” You know, in Arabic. Naomi Shihab Nye: Yeah, it’s now. And you know, I feel duty bound to remain hopeful for them. She’s younger than my son is, so she would be almost in the grandchild era. You deserve the poem part more. In Ibsen's 1888 work The Lady from the Sea, the first act begins with the description of a painting of a mermaid dying on the shore and is followed by a description of a sculpture that depicts a woman having a nightmare of an ex-lover returning to her. Franny Choi: As somebody who has read your poems for a while, that makes complete sense. The ekphrasic writings of the lawyer turned bishop Asterius of Amasea (fl. Naomi Shihab Nye: Without a doubt, I’m calling it for the kid! So back to that question of when we lose that poet self, that poet joy with language, I think many times it’s when we become too dutiful. Thank you to Postloudness. I mean, you know. Danez Smith: And you’re listening to VS, the podcast where poets confront the ideas that move them. “Like a mountain when you sit on it.” I need…. Someone I’ve known a long time sent me a poem by a poet I’ve loved for maybe 30 years. You know, we’ve been talking about paying attention, and we’ve been talking about your father. I feel grateful to the judges and very touched that they would—you know, I mean, every year there are many books of poems out of this very large state that relate a lot to Texas. But being with the dirt, being with the Earth, messing around with dried leaves, I find it very moving because we’ve had so much time to be with the Earth in the last six, eight months. You know? Danez Smith: I’m going to thank the poets, just as a big group. Where do we stop being poets? Danez Smith: (LAUGHS) and you know? What do you think you’re doing? Still, despite her claim to the contrary, it seems unlikely that freedom is the only value or even the most important one. Naomi Shihab Nye: Oh, what a great question. Franny Choi: Yeah, I’ve been thinking about this writing about the separation of the Koreas, and the kind of like intensity of that, of the border between North and South Korea. Whole books?”, Danez Smith: Seven-year-old Danez is just proud to be here, man. And I do think freshening is involved, too. How are you doing, girl? I’m a ageist asshole right now! How are you acting this way? And there are so many benches and stone walls and little grassy slopes and wild places where you could take a book and read it. Homer uses this opportunity to implement more ekphrastic imagery by describing the golden brooch of Odysseus, which depicts a hound strangling a fawn that it captured.[13]. I’m going with The Tiny Journalist, because I really like the word “tiny.”. The book received the top poetry prize in 2020 from both the Texas Institute of Letters and the Writers’ League of Texas. And figuring out how to recalibrate all the tugs on you from different directions. But that sense of a problem, just like racial inequity in the United States, which is gone on so many generations now, and we all feel the exhaustion around this issue, like people who are just now noticing it or pretending like suddenly they should pay attention to it. You helped make that semester a really good one, actually. I’ve read it a million times, “Things I Didn’t Know I Loved.” And that feeling of, you know, expansive affection for the world. It’s ridiculous. Naomi Shihab Nye: I like that, I like that. We all said, No! Well, he was a question asker. And there’s a lot of other episodes that you can check out. George Yule The fullest example of ekphrasis in antiquity can be found in Philostratus of Lemnos' Eikones which describes 64 pictures in a Neapolitan villa. When I hear about forgotten people, I think, I knew the man down the alley by the market. And my father was the only Arab in Ferguson. But for now, just know that there’s more VS in your future. He likes digging more than I do. Nordisk tidskrift för visuell kultur, 2010:1, p. 4–16. So many of the creative people of Texas, we’ve been fighting against, we don’t want this wall cutting through our beautiful bird preserves on the border and the beautiful land and the river and— we don’t want that. He was never embittered. Danez Smith: Oh, wow. Franny Choi: Last one is best of your own book titles. (LAUGHS). ... Wider than the Sky. It had to transfer. Franny Choi: Yeah. Danez Smith: Shout-out, legend Paige Lewis. [23] This instance of ekphrasitc poetry maybe Virgil's attempt to relate more of his work to Augustus. And we’ll have some more information about what that will actually look like at the top of the New Year. And this morning, a beautiful thing happened. I don’t believe in protein.”. Journalistic art criticism was effectively invented by Denis Diderot in his long pieces on the works in the Paris Salon, and extended and highly pointed accounts of the major exhibitions of new art became a popular seasonal feature in the journalism of most Western countries. 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